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Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-06, 09:32
Tool really is something inspiring
u can just tell the singer is a very peacefull and smart guy
maynard james keynes i believe

here it is

The Grudge - from the CD lateralus

Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.

Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip 'em to the lonesome end.
Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Terrified of being wrong. Ultimatum prison cell.

Saturn ascends, choose one or ten. Hang on or be humbled again.

Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip 'em to the lonesome end.
Saturn ascends, comes round again.
Saturn ascends, the one, the ten. Ignorant to the damage done.

Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.

Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control.
Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper.

Defining, confining, controlling, and we're sinking deeper.

Saturn comes back around to show you everything
Let's you choose what you will not see and then
Drags you down like a stone or lifts you up again
Spits you out like a child, light and innocent.

Saturn comes back around. Lifts you up like a child or
Drags you down like a stone
To consume you till you choose to let this go.

Give away the stone.
Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor.
Give away the stone.
Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold.
Let go.

so true
so very true

what u all think?

Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-06, 09:41
lateralus

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see there is so much more
and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind.

Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

Spiral out. Keep going, going...

anyone else got somethings like this?

Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-07, 07:09
Killswitch Engage

Rise Inside

rise inside, free your mind
raise your fist to signify
we stand in defiance of hatred and deception
if i stand alone i will fight for you (hehe sound familiar)
the time has come to make a difference
why have we forsaken love
the time has come to raise our voices
so rise up and fight with me
embrace what we have
it might be the last time in this life we will rise
if we find the strength to unify
hatred is a weakness, you become the victim
i believe love will overcome
time has come to make a difference
why have we forsaken one another

nanook
2004-10-07, 12:39
I don't know, but the first one sounds like Tim. The whole "control" thing. He has "delussions of grandeur" or something and holds grudges. Other than that, I've never gotten into Tool. Way too deep for me. I'm here for a good time. I have my own words, if you will, that are too deep, even for mine own self soemtimes, let alone dealing with someone else's.

Dollar_Girl
2004-10-07, 14:11
I have my own words, if you will, that are too deep, even for mine own self soemtimes, let alone dealing with someone else's.

u know dude, i stopped watching 'roswell' for this very reason. u remember that tv show with the aliens in human form? that was like the most dramatic drama EVER! i watched it a few times and i thought shit... this is really intense with their lack of smiles and constant serious sympathetic eyes... it was making me feel down. that show really sucked.

when it comes to lyrics, i appreciate something that is well written and expressed, in a way, that the person listening can feel something from them. it's so hard to filter out the good stuff from all the manufactured bullshit.


i kinda dig nick caves lyrics... they are simple, but weirdly chaotic.

The Kindness Of Strangers Lyrics



They found Mary Bellows cuffed to the bed
With a rag in her mouth and a bullet in her head
O poor Mary Bellows
She'd grown up hungry, she'd grown up poor
She left her home in Arkansas
O poor Mary Bellows
She wanted to see the deep blue sea
She travelled across Tennessee
O poor Mary Bellows
She met a man along the way
He introduced himself as Richard Slade
O poor Mary Bellows
Poor Mary thought that she might die
When she saw the ocean for the first time
O poor Mary Bellows
She checked into a cheap little place
Richard Slade carried in her old suitcase
O poor Mary Bellows
"I'm a good girl, sir", she said to him
I couldn't possibly permit you in
O poor Mary Bellows
Slade tipped his hat and winked his eye
And turned away without goodbye
O poor Mary Bellows
She sat on her bed and thought of home
With the sea breeze whistling all alone
O poor Mary Bellows
In hope and loneliness she crossed the floor
And undid the latch on the front door
O poor Mary Bellows
They found her the next day cuffed to the bed
A rag in her mouth and a bullet in her head
O poor Mary Bellows
So mothers keep your girls at home
Don't let them journey all alone
Tell them this world is full of danger
And to shun the company of strangers
O poor Mary Bellows
O poor Mary Bellows


==

his tune Curse of Millhaven is kinda crazy

but Into My Arms kinda makes me cry

Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-07, 19:06
ur right he is kinda crazy
lol

still something

i mean - im fucking crazy too

:P

is too deep a problem?
living on the surface enough?
why does the pain run so deep?
we do not look deep enough for the solution perhaps?
i know it to be true from my experience

we all say things that change each other
ive advanced much from being here
ive seen many things good and bad that have changed me
but the bad change me for the better unless i let it destroy me
which is not me

im writing my book finally
it a free one so i may post some here while writing it
some of the basics

its just a simple guide to life
some helps and hints to make it easier
for all

ive got so many lyrics here to choose from to post lol
a bit of my own
but some of mine are outdated and do not truely reflecting me now
or anytime in the future
i was much more pessimistic and not so loving before
and not even near as aware
shit like that changes alot

tim
2004-10-07, 20:16
I liked that nick cage song thank-you eclectica for posting it...would it be possible to get a few more of dollar's picks in as well?
(for u Seinfeld fans think of Elaine with Vincent's picks from the video rental store)

eclectica
2004-10-07, 22:07
That Mary Bellows song is doing a disservice to good healthy S&M practices. That Nick Cave dude is just mad he doesn't get any hot wax on his nipples, so he made a song to put the fear of Osama/God into young curious women not to explore their sexuality further and get cuffed to the bed.

I think that it is time for me to issue a fatwa against Nick Cave, and his promotion of chastity or of boring sex.

Adventurous sex need not be fatal, except in cases where one hangs oneself to heighten one's orgasmic pleasure.

nanook
2004-10-08, 12:22
is too deep a problem?

Yes. What I'm trying to say is that I have enough of my own problems to have to listen to someone else's. Most of the time if the actual music kicks ass, then I'll listen, but not to the words. I'd rather hear a tune that brings a smile to my face or makes me want to jump up and down, that or do the girlfriend. lol. But, Sniper, if you mean he is an excellent writer of poetry and evokes feeling, then you are right, the dude kicks ass, major. But still not my cup of tea. Music is music and an autobiography is an autobiography. I'd have to want to know about the dude. Music is to me, what a good drug is to someone else. I want it to make me feel good.

im writing my book finally
it a free one so i may post some here while writing it
some of the basics

its just a simple guide to life
some helps and hints to make it easier
for all



I look forward to your writings.

Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-08, 14:40
it is the very thing that makes anothers problems unbarable is that we do not see them as our problems
a madman with a gun is that not ur problem?
just an example BTW :p
if one guy before did not exist another did not

but they are not problems so much that he has but realisations
if u read it u would know that
he is a better person than me
he has had much more though on it than me

i gain inspiration from him
is there something so wrong with my outlook that makes both of us in some wierd place that noone should go hear or it will fuck up their little utopia?
people are scared of change and difference
they become unchanging and indifferent

just my analysis of the world and people
but its not like i have a degree or anything
did pythagoris have a qualification?
buddha? jesus? confucious?
i could go on but u get the point

im glad u want to see my writings
i hope it can change many lives for the better

nanook
2004-10-09, 05:23
it is the very thing that makes anothers problems unbarable is that we do not see them as our problems
a madman with a gun is that not ur problem?
just an example BTW :p
if one guy before did not exist another did not

but they are not problems so much that he has but realisations
if u read it u would know that
he is a better person than me
he has had much more though on it than me

i gain inspiration from him
is there something so wrong with my outlook that makes both of us in some wierd place that noone should go hear or it will fuck up their little utopia?
people are scared of change and difference
they become unchanging and indifferent

just my analysis of the world and people
but its not like i have a degree or anything
did pythagoris have a qualification?
buddha? jesus? confucious?
i could go on but u get the point

im glad u want to see my writings
i hope it can change many lives for the better

Well, I wouldn't call what I have a utopia, but no, I don't wish it to be fucked up. And if it were to be fucked up, I would choose who was to do it. lol.
I don't believe people can be so afraid of change, because everything around a person is constantly changing and they really have no choice.
And if they don't, then they're probably under some rock, some place. lol.
And I say, stay there, leave well enough alone.
I do like change and I like experiencing new things. But music like Tool's makes me imagine that I would wallow too much in either, their, or mine own problems too much. Each day brings, to me, a new day, and yesterday is gone. I then look forward to each new thing to come my way.
Simple. I like simple. I don't want or need any extra distraction that I do not choose to have. It's all about choice. And I like it "so fresh and so clean". lol.

Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-09, 05:48
because u can not handle change and truth
u may say u do but the inner u does not like it
i see it in ur posts
i think ive overstepped my kindness once again
funny how thats possible

i guess my opinions are not welcomed let alone taken any notice of
what the fuck is wrong with u people?
vote now if i should ever say anything here again
im serious too
ill see if anyone here wants me here bar (im hoping) Tim
if not i will leave
i love u all but when not recieved back u cannot sit around for long expecting
ill show u all
till the day i day i will show u
*feels stupid and unwanted*

nanook
2004-10-09, 05:57
Sniper, this wasn't a personal attack. It was my opinion, referring to your own. It is my opinion on Tool's music. I hope it doesn't offend you if I don't like what you like, in their respect. Because we do like a lot of the same taste of other artist.

Trying to talk about something besides, you know who.

As to my feelings of change, I don't know to what you refer. If it is to the point of not agreeing with you about Tim, well I'm sorry. But I see something different in him. We have all had problems in our lives, but it doesn't excuse bad behavior. Even you should know that. The thing is, you hear what he wants you to hear. How do you know it's true?

Criminal_Sniper
2004-10-09, 15:29
i do not hold it personal
i remember u saying u havent listenb to Tools music really but its not that i think u should listen to them cause i like them
i think that u should have a greater love for deeper meaning
if its Tool is dosent matter
the majority of music out there is in fact harmful to the mind
not something u would understand once again
and once again do not take it as an insult
most people see truth as that
be they are scared of being wrong

i mean it in the way that u have not done the research
evident in ur opinions
if u had done we would be have much more similar ideas ideas on the matter
its not about taste

some were not born again to never be born again

nanook
2004-10-10, 09:41
i think that u should have a greater love for deeper meaning
if its Tool is dosent matter
the majority of music out there is in fact harmful to the mind
not something u would understand once again
and once again do not take it as an insult
most people see truth as that
be they are scared of being wrong

i mean it in the way that u have not done the research
evident in ur opinions
if u had done we would be have much more similar ideas ideas on the matter
its not about taste

some were not born again to never be born again

Oh, don't get me wrong. There are many songs where I do enjoy the lyrics. But it is the melody which catches me first. If it doesn't, then I probably won't hear what the artist is trying to say, cause I will just turn the station.
Begs to ask, which came first the music or the lyric. lol.
Unfortunate that you cannot accept my opinion for my own opinions sake and have pleasant convesation on the topic.
Obviously you are right, we are very different. And I can accept that.
But please do not pretend you know me enough to make the statements you mention above. You are very far from knowing me, as with anyone on the internet.
I will always respect what you say, but I would never take it upon myself to post such crucial statements about you or what you believe, know or have learned in life.

eclectica
2004-10-10, 14:42
For me the music is more important than the lyrics. I can not like a song with good lyrics if the music isn't good. I like instrumental songs, which are songs that have no lyrics.

Shitty pop singers probably start with the lyrics first and then add some generic music over it.